removed.

[Major]

Is that one of the reasons you yankees are against the health care? I payed more than he did so i get priority? Bunch of Tory's. Rich get richer the poor get poorer...

Im tired of hearing this BBQ...

Say some where in america there is a gang fight, everyone gets shot, everyone is rushed to the e.r. and everyone one lived. and only 1 of the people, out of 6 gangsters had some kind of health insurance. the 5 that didnt have insurance arent going to get kicked out of the hostpital because they cant pay, they are going to get the same treatment as the insured guy. However, upon release date, when the doctor says they are free to go, it will be put on the 5 un-insured peoples credit, that they couldnt pay, and that they still owe.

Like i said, no one is out on the streets dying, unless they want to be

This really upsets me. For a good long while I lived in a shitty part of town (I didn't choose to, they had housing i could afford. mommy and daddy didn't pay for BBQ..i was making my own way and isn't that the American dream?) I believed it so that's what i did. It got me to where I am today and I 'm comfortable here so I wont discredit the dream.
I was on my way to work at a local store night shift and got mugged by two dudes that appeared out of no where with a steel pipe. I got trounced till they tried to throw me on the ground. I managed to not get thrown down but spin out and run the feck away at light speed.

I received a broken jaw in two places. required surgery and a two week stay at a inner city shitbagging hospital.

2 blocks from my house was a hospital named "Beth Isreal" 5 star rated, and I had no insurance. The crap grocery store I was working for didnt give the full time employees like myself things like this till you had 5 years on the job. I was fecking 18 years old and worked the overnight shift for about a month.

beth isreal didn't take an xray. they didnt give me a fecking asperane. they called saint joesphes in patterson new jersey ( a christian hospital), charged me 1000 dollars for the 15 minute ambulance ride that i refused saying i was ok id walk. and billed me after. the total came to around 50k. not including the oral surgeon.

I'm still paying that off and the crack heads were never found of course.

So before you crackers in "GoldenFuck Arkansas" say this is a great county do yourself a favour and take a tour of it. preferably late at night.

Turn off the TV bro. You dont come from the same country as me. Or 25% of the rest of this country.

[nine-breaker]

Is that one of the reasons you yankees are against the health care? I payed more than he did so i get priority? Bunch of Tory's. Rich get richer the poor get poorer...

Im tired of hearing this BBQ...

Say some where in america there is a gang fight, everyone gets shot, everyone is rushed to the e.r. and everyone one lived. and only 1 of the people, out of 6 gangsters had some kind of health insurance. the 5 that didnt have insurance arent going to get kicked out of the hostpital because they cant pay, they are going to get the same treatment as the insured guy. However, upon release date, when the doctor says they are free to go, it will be put on the 5 un-insured peoples credit, that they couldnt pay, and that they still owe.

Like i said, no one is out on the streets dying, unless they want to be

This really upsets me. For a good long while I lived in a shitty part of town (I didn't choose to, they had housing i could afford. mommy and daddy didn't pay for BBQ..i was making my own way and isn't that the American dream?) I believed it so that's what i did. It got me to where I am today and I 'm comfortable here so I wont discredit the dream.
I was on my way to work at a local store night shift and got mugged by two dudes that appeared out of no where with a steel pipe. I got trounced till they tried to throw me on the ground. I managed to not get thrown down but spin out and run the feck away at light speed.

I received a broken jaw in two places. required surgery and a two week stay at a inner city shitbagging hospital.

2 blocks from my house was a hospital named "Beth Isreal" 5 star rated, and I had no insurance. The crap grocery store I was working for didnt give the full time employees like myself things like this till you had 5 years on the job. I was fecking 18 years old and worked the overnight shift for about a month.

beth isreal didn't take an xray. they didnt give me a fecking asperane. they called saint joesphes in patterson new jersey ( a christian hospital), charged me 1000 dollars for the 15 minute ambulance ride that i refused saying i was ok id walk. and billed me after. the total came to around 50k. not including the oral surgeon.

I'm still paying that off and the crack heads were never found of course.

So before you crackers in "GoldenFuck Arkansas" say this is a great county do yourself a favour and take a tour of it. preferably late at night.

Turn off the TV bro. You dont come from the same country as me. Or 25% of the rest of this country.

Ive lived in Dallas, Austin, Detroit, and stayed in chicago a while. While I'm sorry to hear about that major, it still doesnt account for the rest of the country, while muggings are to frequent, I dont think that they are frequent enough to restructure the whole central government. I would however be more supportive if they would talk about state paid healthcare, so it be more customized for the places that have a high crime/poverty rate.

[Moleman]

About 10 years ago my sister spent a year at Montreat College in Carolina. During her stay she needed an emergency root canal on one of her teeth, she was taken to an unbelievable hospital and had the work done, the bill came to roughly $10k. Thankfully shevhad insurance.

In the UK the same proceedure would have been free as she was a student however I had a similar proceedure here a few years ago, as I'm working full time I paid for it.... It cost me £150.

Why in the name of all that's holy does a £150 proceedure cost €10k in the US?! Sure the UK dentists surgery wasn't as nice as the US hospital but all I was concerned with was my teeth, not how nice the place looked!

It seems to me that the healthcare industry and the ins companies are making huge amounts of cash and the average US joe is the one paying through the nose for it.

I and my company pay a lot in taxes however the NHS is one place where Im happy my taxes work.

Moleman

[MadAce]

I want answers not questions damnit

How can you ever have the correct answers when you're unwilling to ask the corect questions.

If I answered every question you asked with another question I'd feel pretty awesome too wouldn't I? Oh Snap! I just did!

I have enough information to answer my question. THis reply and your other blah blah was more than enough input.

Why I think your opinions are inferior to mine:

By suggesting I always answer a question with a question after I only did it once you've proven you can't use basic deductive reasoning in a manner that preceeds the ability of primitive primates.

Thus it's safe for me to assume that considering the immense gravity of your errors there is a pattern of stupidity in what you say.

You didn't even realize you were answering the question while not formally answering the question. If you'd just answered the question you would've come out of it a lot better.

Their are winners and losers in life,

Where you got that line from? An 80's preteen sports movie? Seriously, that's about the most stupid one-dimensional platitude I ever heard.

Why you think this simplistic crap is even in the slightest related to reality?

from what I have heard and read socialism wants everyone to be winners, but in that sense no one would win, the government would.

Then you should either listen better or listen to someone who isn't talking out of their donkey (please tell this someone to see a neurologist as I fear the worst for their brain). That's not what socialism is about.

I'm going to double post here...

My view of socialism would be this:
Say Toonces changed it to where you didn't get experience from colonies, Instead everyone would get the same experience at all times, no matter how many colonies you have you will have the same xp as everyone else. And when you died you didn't lose xp, and the person that killed you didn't get experience, their is no competition, that is what my view on socialism is, and I don't want America a competitionless place where no one wins, and no one loses. In life their has to be winners and losers, its the way the world works, even if everyone thinks their "winning", they aren't, they are losing, the government is winning.

That has nothing to do with socialism. Stop making things up.

Socialized health care... Ok, free health care for everyone right? nice huh? when you look at it, the population of America is HUGE, if the government manages to pay for all of it, we Americans would be getting the shittiest health care, and the rich could pay for theirs.

What I was saying was that the government wouldn't pay for the surgery, I don't know about the netherlands, but I would assume their population is smaller than canada's and would result in being able to get the needed healthcare easier, and when your saying everyone is getting healthcare, that means... EVERYONE.

The size of the population is irrelevant. If you have more people you also have more people paying taxes and thus a proportional increase in tax revenue.

To put it with an extremely simple example:

If you have a country with a 100 people with a total tax revenue of 1000 (10 per person) and a health care cost of 1 per person then you'd have a total health care cost of 100 leaving you with 900 tax revenue after paying the total health care cost.
If you have a country with a 1000 people with a total tax revenue of 10000 (10 per person) and a health care cost of 1 per person then you'd have a total health care cost of 1000 leaving you with 9000 tax revenue after paying the total health care cost.

In a few years when you get to junior high you'll learn about this basic thing called "scalability" like I did in grade school.

I'd attack your conclusions, but since they're based on nothing at all I don't have to.

One of my teachers had a brother that lived in canada where they had socialized health care, and he had to get heart sugery done, but one of the people on the "death boards", as tekkamanblade has said, told him he could not have the surgery preformed, because the risk was to great, fortunately his family members in the U.S. paid for his opperation and he had the surgery and is fine.

I don't do unprovable anecdotal evidence. Especially not anecdotal evidence that seems to be coming from a universe with the same universal laws as a cartoon (meaning intensely simplistic). BTW, get a better teachers, because this guy shouldn't even be allowed to explain donkey-wiping to toddlers.

You people on the left saying socialized health care will keep people alive are living in a lie, once the government has controll of your healthcare, they have controll of your lives...

Socialism is limiting your freedom one step at a time, sure it seems harmless at first but it could easily lead to more severe limits of freedom.

Stop spewing brain-dead platitudes and please provide real statistics, real prove and real arguments for your claims.

It's getting sad and embarrassing.

Theres obviously a lot of anger against 'socialism' I am thinking it must mean something very different in the US. So I can follow this could someone (preferably an American) state what they call Socialism without resorting to terms like nanny state.

short version: I worked hard, put myself through higher education. Now, due to regressive taxation, my income is taken at a much higher rate, in order to pay for the things that someone else (be it lazy, whatever) wants, through the govt. taking my money to pay for it, be it nationalized healthcare ( I have a job, my employer pays his part, i pay mine), medicade, medicare, food stamps, FAMIS, low income housing allowence, etc.... I dont mind helping those who hit hard times, i.e. unemployment benifits (as the employer pays into this to) but to the ones that DO NOT want to help themselves, why is my money going to them?

Wealth redistribution doesn't have anything to do with socialism per se.

BTW, The US, without universal health care, spends more on its tax revenue on non-universal health care than "socialist" countries do on theirs.

Also (and this is a more interesting discussion) a reasoning for the kind of wealth redistribution you talked about would be that it's a more effective and more aggressive way of dealing with social issues. It's more effective to help a family when they're down on their luck before they become homeless than it is to help them after they become so. Same goes for helping people before they resort to crime than after. It's basic maths.

Im tired of hearing this BBQ...

Say some where in america there is a gang fight, everyone gets shot, everyone is rushed to the e.r. and everyone one lived. and only 1 of the people, out of 6 gangsters had some kind of health insurance. the 5 that didnt have insurance arent going to get kicked out of the hostpital because they cant pay, they are going to get the same treatment as the insured guy. However, upon release date, when the doctor says they are free to go, it will be put on the 5 un-insured peoples credit, that they couldnt pay, and that they still owe.

Like i said, no one is out on the streets dying, unless they want to be

You provide your own words and back nothing up. Your life must be so simple if you don't have to reality-check anything you say.


Your example would only be "fair" if it were a choice to get or not get health insurance. People are denied insurance by the dead boards, I mean insurance companies.

Link. Link. Link. Hell, they can even kill you.

How is it fair to be paying for the rest of your life because companies can deny you health insurance? I don't think it's fair to have your life be bankrupted just because something you have no control over, insurance companies, almost arbitrarily deny you coverage.

no, i'm against the fact that i have to pay for someone to lazy to work and pay for their self. And, in the USA, no one is denied health coverage if they go to the Emergency Room, whether they have insurance, job, whatever, which, means, that when i go to E.R., hospital for whatever reason, I pay more to cover those that dont.

You have no proof people experience misfortune due to laziness. Nor have you proof of the contrary.

Why then do you knowingly choose to interpret their misfortune to be of their own fault? Is it because it absolves you of being a good person?

America isnt near as bad as what the news in all your other countries make it out to be, I just wish you all were intelligent enough to see this.

Prove to me the news "in all of our countries" is biased against the US?

i dont need a government to protect me or my point of view madace, me and my unregistered guns and acres of booby traps can handle ourselves.

It always amuses me to no end that people like you always assume that your makeshift defenses (already a tactical error) will protect you against a determined and professional assault, even in a lawless society. Wishful thinking FTW.

governments are self serving and parasitic institutions.

Simplistic and unproven platitude.

there is no such thing as free in the real world, you all know that.

True in this particular case (otherwise it's a platitude). I think it has been misnamed. I would've gone for "efficient health care".

when it is your own money to spend on your own medical treatments, you have many more options.

Prove it. Which options do you think are being denied to me, for example, being from a country with universal health care?

any time someone else's money is involved, their representatives will be there to ensure you don't get to spend much (or any) of it. this already happens with private companies, so how can you think it won't be worse under government control (as every other "service" they "provide" is) ?

Why do you assume it would be worse with democratically elected governments? After all, logic would suggest that governments don't have profit to think about. Statistics suggest that things like life expectancy and childbirth deaths are consistently respectively higher and lower in countries with universal health care.

of course you will still have the option of paying for your own treatments even once they deny you, but there will be no way to opt out of paying the increased taxes funding everyone else's treatments.

Nor are you able to opt out for taxes for the military, police, roads, fire departments, ... Do you advocate abolishing those too?

so in actuality, most people will see an INCREASE in the cost of their health care after you factor in this "double billing" effect.

Must see:




Remember that the US doesn't have universal health care.

[Nightmare]

Why are you spending so much energy arguing over this with 12-15 year olds MadAce? Talking about overkill

Not that your post wasn't valid, on the contrary.

Nightmare

[nine-breaker]

if you going to post bar graphs, atleast make sure their complete

[Major]

BTW: whoever it was that said about folks being on hard times and not minding paying taxes to help them out. This is for you.

There's this wacky thing here in the US called social security . Just let that term stew into your mind for a heartbeat.

Maybe if you were over the mental age of 18, you'd know that unemployment benefits’ are paid out of the unemployed person’s social security benefit package that they exclusively pay into their entire lives.

You the worker do not pay a thing for the unemployed in the short term. They entirely pay their own way out of a fund they entirely funded.

The rest is paid to the benefiter (not entirely the right word) after the age of 65 if they are lucky.

I also feel it is necessary to call you a -teletubby-.

if you going to post bar graphs, atleast make sure they're complete

USAUSAUSA you told him bro!!!
Nice!
USAUSAUSA
Greatest country in da wolrdzorz!1!11

[nine-breaker]

if you going to post bar graphs, atleast make sure they're complete

USAUSAUSA you told him bro!!!
Nice!
USAUSAUSA
Greatest country in da wolrdzorz!1!11

Im laying down in bed, with my notebook hooked to the internet typing, im not worried about the proper usage of words, grammar, or punctuation. Thats for the desktop to worry about.

[MadAce]

Why are you spending so much energy arguing over this with 12-15 year olds MadAce? Talking about overkill

Not that your post wasn't valid, on the contrary.

Nightmare

And why are you so optimistic about their mental age? Hell, I even think nine-breaker is over 18. Yes, it's that bad. This won't be solved by waiting until they mature. They're already supposed to be.

Maybe the only thing we can hope for is that they don't vote.


I kinda consider this fun. Normal stupid people quit after a while, realizing they're way out of their league. These guys are so very much out there in crazy-land that they don't realize in what kind of immensely epic way they're being owned. And I haven't even started yet. If I get going it'll be so epic Hollywood studio's will be lining up to buy the rights to this display of ownage.

if you going to post bar graphs, atleast make sure their complete

What's incomplete about them?

And on a scale of one to ten, how much over ten are you terrified to read all of my responses knowing they'd rip your frail brain lobes apart?

Anyways:

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 14.6%
# 2 Cambodia: 12%
# 3 Lebanon: 11.5%
# 4 Switzerland: 11.2%
# 5 Sao Tome and Principe: 11.1%
# 6 Monaco: 11%
# 7 Germany: 10.9%
# 8 Marshall Islands: 10.6%
# 9 Togo: 10.5%
# 10 Uruguay: 10%
# 11 Iceland: 9.9%
# 12 Malawi: 9.8%
= 13 Niue: 9.7%
= 13 France: 9.7%
= 15 Malta: 9.6%
= 15 Canada: 9.6%
= 15 Norway: 9.6%
= 18 Greece: 9.5%
= 18 Australia: 9.5%
= 20 Portugal: 9.3%
= 20 Costa Rica: 9.3%
= 20 Jordan: 9.3%
= 23 Sweden: 9.2%
= 23 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 9.2%
= 25 Palau: 9.1%
= 25 Belgium: 9.1%
= 25 Israel: 9.1%
= 28 Argentina: 8.9%
= 28 Panama: 8.9%
= 30 Denmark: 8.8%
= 30 Netherlands: 8.8%
# 32 South Africa: 8.7%
# 33 Suriname: 8.6%
= 34 Italy: 8.5%
= 34 New Zealand: 8.5%
# 36 Paraguay: 8.4%
# 37 Slovenia: 8.3%
= 38 Colombia: 8.1%
= 38 Serbia and Montenegro: 8.1%
= 40 Kiribati: 8%
= 40 El Salvador: 8%
= 40 Afghanistan: 8%
= 43 Brazil: 7.9%
= 43 Japan: 7.9%
= 43 Nicaragua: 7.9%
# 46 Hungary: 7.8%
= 47 Austria: 7.7%
= 47 San Marino: 7.7%
= 47 United Kingdom: 7.7%
= 50 Haiti: 7.6%
= 50 Nauru: 7.6%
= 50 Spain: 7.6%
# 53 Cuba: 7.5%
= 54 Bulgaria: 7.4%
= 54 Uganda: 7.4%
= 56 Ireland: 7.3%
= 56 Finland: 7.3%
= 56 Gambia, The: 7.3%
= 56 Croatia: 7.3%
= 60 Cyprus: 7%
= 60 Czech Republic: 7%
= 60 Moldova: 7%
= 60 Bolivia: 7%
= 64 Tonga: 6.9%
= 64 Barbados: 6.9%
= 64 Bahamas, The: 6.9%
# 67 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 6.8%
# 68 Namibia: 6.7%
= 69 Chad: 6.5%
= 69 Turkey: 6.5%
= 69 Micronesia, Federated States of: 6.5%
= 69 Andorra: 6.5%
= 73 Dominica: 6.4%
= 73 Belarus: 6.4%
= 75 Mongolia: 6.3%
= 75 Djibouti: 6.3%
= 75 Guinea-Bissau: 6.3%
= 75 Romania: 6.3%
= 79 Samoa: 6.2%
= 79 Cote d'Ivoire: 6.2%
= 79 Honduras: 6.2%
= 79 Lesotho: 6.2%
= 79 Russia: 6.2%
= 79 Luxembourg: 6.2%
= 85 India: 6.1%
= 85 Poland: 6.1%
= 85 Dominican Republic: 6.1%
= 85 Albania: 6.1%
= 85 Mexico: 6.1%
= 90 Botswana: 6%
= 90 Iran: 6%
= 90 Jamaica: 6%
= 90 Swaziland: 6%
= 94 Lithuania: 5.9%
= 94 Slovakia: 5.9%
= 94 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 5.9%
= 97 Mozambique: 5.8%
= 97 Zambia: 5.8%
= 97 Chile: 5.8%
= 97 Armenia: 5.8%
= 97 Maldives: 5.8%
= 97 China: 5.8%
= 97 Tunisia: 5.8%
= 97 Guinea: 5.8%
# 105 Grenada: 5.7%
= 106 Guyana: 5.6%
= 106 Ghana: 5.6%
= 108 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 5.5%
= 108 Uzbekistan: 5.5%
# 110 Rwanda: 5.3%
= 111 Belize: 5.2%
= 111 Nepal: 5.2%
= 111 Vietnam: 5.2%
= 111 Seychelles: 5.2%
= 115 Latvia: 5.1%
= 115 Estonia: 5.1%
= 115 Syria: 5.1%
= 115 Senegal: 5.1%
= 115 Eritrea: 5.1%
= 120 Korea, South: 5%
= 120 Cape Verde: 5%
= 120 Saint Lucia: 5%
= 120 Angola: 5%
= 124 Tanzania: 4.9%
= 124 Egypt: 4.9%
= 124 Sudan: 4.9%
= 124 Kenya: 4.9%
= 128 Antigua and Barbuda: 4.8%
= 128 Guatemala: 4.8%
= 128 Ecuador: 4.8%
= 128 Solomon Islands: 4.8%
= 132 Nigeria: 4.7%
= 132 Ukraine: 4.7%
= 132 Benin: 4.7%
= 135 Morocco: 4.6%
= 135 Cook Islands: 4.6%
= 135 Korea, North: 4.6%
= 135 Cameroon: 4.6%
= 139 Mali: 4.5%
= 139 Bhutan: 4.5%
= 141 Thailand: 4.4%
= 141 Peru: 4.4%
= 141 Tuvalu: 4.4%
= 141 Bahrain: 4.4%
= 145 Papua New Guinea: 4.3%
= 145 Singapore: 4.3%
= 145 Kyrgyzstan: 4.3%
= 145 Algeria: 4.3%
= 145 Saudi Arabia: 4.3%
= 145 Gabon: 4.3%
= 145 Turkmenistan: 4.3%
= 145 Burkina Faso: 4.3%
# 153 Fiji: 4.2%
= 154 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 4%
= 154 Niger: 4%
= 156 Central African Republic: 3.9%
= 156 Mauritania: 3.9%
= 158 Kuwait: 3.8%
= 158 Vanuatu: 3.8%
= 158 Malaysia: 3.8%
= 158 Georgia: 3.8%
= 162 Azerbaijan: 3.7%
= 162 Yemen: 3.7%
= 162 Trinidad and Tobago: 3.7%
= 162 Sri Lanka: 3.7%
= 166 Kazakhstan: 3.5%
= 166 Mauritius: 3.5%
# 168 Oman: 3.4%
= 169 Libya: 3.3%
= 169 Tajikistan: 3.3%
= 171 Indonesia: 3.2%
= 171 Pakistan: 3.2%
= 173 Bangladesh: 3.1%
= 173 Qatar: 3.1%
= 173 United Arab Emirates: 3.1%
# 176 Burundi: 3%
= 177 Laos: 2.9%
= 177 Comoros: 2.9%
= 177 Philippines: 2.9%
= 177 Sierra Leone: 2.9%
# 181 Burma: 2.2%
= 182 Liberia: 2.1%
= 182 Madagascar: 2.1%
# 184 Equatorial Guinea: 1.8%
# 185 Iraq: 1.5%

BTW: whoever it was that said about folks being on hard times and not minding paying taxes to help them out. This is for you.

There's this wacky thing here in the US called social security . Just let that term stew into your mind for a heartbeat.

Maybe if you were over the mental age of 18, you'd know that unemployment benefits’ are paid out of the unemployed person’s social security benefit package that they exclusively pay into their entire lives.

You the worker do not pay a thing for the unemployed in the short term. They entirely pay their own way out of a fund they entirely funded.

The rest is paid to the benefiter (not entirely the right word) after the age of 65 if they are lucky.

I also feel it is necessary to call you a -teletubby-.

if you going to post bar graphs, atleast make sure they're complete

USAUSAUSA you told him bro!!!
Nice!
USAUSAUSA
Greatest country in da wolrdzorz!1!11

Calm down buddy. They're not worthy getting annoyed over.

[devilwolf]

Is that one of the reasons you yankees are against the health care? I payed more than he did so i get priority? Bunch of Tory's. Rich get richer the poor get poorer...

Im tired of hearing this BBQ...

Say some where in america there is a gang fight, everyone gets shot, everyone is rushed to the e.r. and everyone one lived. and only 1 of the people, out of 6 gangsters had some kind of health insurance. the 5 that didnt have insurance arent going to get kicked out of the hostpital because they cant pay, they are going to get the same treatment as the insured guy. However, upon release date, when the doctor says they are free to go, it will be put on the 5 un-insured peoples credit, that they couldnt pay, and that they still owe.

Like i said, no one is out on the streets dying, unless they want to be

This really upsets me. For a good long while I lived in a shitty part of town (I didn't choose to, they had housing i could afford. mommy and daddy didn't pay for BBQ..i was making my own way and isn't that the American dream?) I believed it so that's what i did. It got me to where I am today and I 'm comfortable here so I wont discredit the dream.
I was on my way to work at a local store night shift and got mugged by two dudes that appeared out of no where with a steel pipe. I got trounced till they tried to throw me on the ground. I managed to not get thrown down but spin out and run the feck away at light speed.

I received a broken jaw in two places. required surgery and a two week stay at a inner city shitbagging hospital.

2 blocks from my house was a hospital named "Beth Isreal" 5 star rated, and I had no insurance. The crap grocery store I was working for didnt give the full time employees like myself things like this till you had 5 years on the job. I was fecking 18 years old and worked the overnight shift for about a month.

beth isreal didn't take an xray. they didnt give me a fecking asperane. they called saint joesphes in patterson new jersey ( a christian hospital), charged me 1000 dollars for the 15 minute ambulance ride that i refused saying i was ok id walk. and billed me after. the total came to around 50k. not including the oral surgeon.

I'm still paying that off and the crack heads were never found of course.

So before you crackers in "GoldenFuck Arkansas" say this is a great county do yourself a favour and take a tour of it. preferably late at night.

Turn off the TV bro. You dont come from the same country as me. Or 25% of the rest of this country.

Sorry to hear that maj, but, i started off in life dirt, and i do mean dirt, poor. One of 6 children, raised on a hard-scrabble farm. Started working when i was old enough to help on the farm (age 6). Did well in school, put myself through college, got a decent job. I have lived in NY city, LA, Atlanta, for diffrent jobs. When i married, and we started having children, I made up my mind that i did NOT want my children growing up in Atlanta, so I found another job, and moved out into the country in VA. Again, if you dont like your situation, it is your choice to change it. And, btw, when i first moved up here, I did not have insurance yet (still was under 90 day probationary period) so i ended up in the local emergency room, and yes, i was treated. My original bill was almost 7k, but, i asked for itemized bill, argued abit with the hospital, and had several charges dropped, reduced, final bill was only 4k.

[devilwolf]

madace, i only continue as you keep bringing my posts up. As I stated earlier, imho, you already have all of us, and the whole world, set in stone, and your *views, are the only correct ones, so the rest of us must be children that you can bully. By the way, I am 40 years old, and probably have a daughter older than you (she's 17) and have twin boys who act older than you do at times (their . Also, not one of them think they know it all.

[nine-breaker]

madace, i only continue as you keep bringing my posts up. As I stated earlier, imho, you already have all of us, and the whole world, set in stone, and your *views, are the only correct ones, so the rest of us must be children that you can bully. By the way, I am 40 years old, and probably have a daughter older than you (she's 17) and have twin boys who act older than you do at times (their . Also, not one of them think they know it all.

I have to agree with devil ace, its no use in arguing with you on forum because in your mind your right, and your to immature to accept the fact that there is a remote possibility that you are mistaken, or even down right wrong. And if your going to bring personal lives into this mentioning age, then I am 20 years old, went to high school, averaged 3.9 gpa, I took several advanced courses, such as; advanced physics 1 & 2, and believe it or not political science. I attended the University of Missouri for a year, majoring in, once again, political science. I would still be attending had a family accident not pulled me back home, to care for whats left of my family, so yes I know about healthcare too. So I dont appreciate being called incompetent by some one who is to afraid to leave his precious internet, and debate me on ventrilo, because then he wouldnt have the access google, or atleast fast enough to keep up with me.

So, if you want to continue, and if you still think your right, that vent address is still in the post. Enter when you think that your smart enough.

Until then put up or shut up

[MadAce]

madace, i only continue as you keep bringing my posts up. As I stated earlier, imho, you already have all of us, and the whole world, set in stone, and your *views, are the only correct ones, so the rest of us must be children that you can bully. By the way, I am 40 years old, and probably have a daughter older than you (she's 17) and have twin boys who act older than you do at times (their . Also, not one of them think they know it all.

you already have all of us, and the whole world, set in stone

Which you base on half a dozen of my posts. If you form opinions on things using so little and so inadequate proof then I fear your reasoning skills are about as healthy as the blood-pressure of a turkey on the 4th Wednesday of October.

I already figured your one-dimensional view on reality could not be attributed to young age (I'm cynical like that) which I pointed out in:

Why are you spending so much energy arguing over this with 12-15 year olds MadAce? Talking about overkill

Not that your post wasn't valid, on the contrary.

Nightmare

And why are you so optimistic about their mental age? Hell, I even think nine-breaker is over 18. Yes, it's that bad. This won't be solved by waiting until they mature. They're already supposed to be.

Maybe the only thing we can hope for is that they don't vote.

The only reason why you resort to the "You're not going to change your opinion anyways" argument is because you're too afraid to see your rusty old duct taped-together ideas fall apart when I casually glance the lack of logic behind them.

We both know I've chanced my opinion plenty of times as I've must've gotten my current one from somewhere. Therefore your stance can only stem from cowardice. Which is understandable considering the immense mental black hole you'd be facing when I'm trough with your ideas.

I have to agree with devil ace, its no use in arguing with you on forum because in your mind your right, and your to immature to accept the fact that there is a remote possibility that you are mistaken, or even down right wrong. And if your going to bring personal lives into this mentioning age, then I am 20 years old, went to high school, averaged 3.9 gpa, I took several advanced courses, such as; advanced physics 1 & 2, and believe it or not political science. I attended the University of Missouri for a year, majoring in, once again, political science. I would still be attending had a family accident not pulled me back home, to care for whats left of my family, so yes I know about healthcare too. So I dont appreciate being called incompetent by some one who is to afraid to leave his precious internet, and debate me on ventrilo, because then he wouldnt have the access google, or atleast fast enough to keep up with me.

So, if you want to continue, and if you still think your right, that vent address is still in the post. Enter when you think that your smart enough.

Until then put up or shut up

I have to agree with devil ace

Which I do not find surprising as I doubt you'd have the prowess to invent any ideas of yourself.


Anyways. I don't care about your education. Judging from your previous posts and the lack of logic, grammar and spelling therein you could've just as well had no education at all.

The reasons why you don't want to keep this in the forums:

> You have no idea how to look things up yourself. You're used to just inventing how the universe works. This thing called "backing up what you say" is completely alien to you.
> You're afraid I can back up everything I say with objective sources. Which, BTW, I can.
> You want your own bandwagon around to cheer you on, not realizing they'd just add pressure to a situation which is already way too overwhelming for you.

Reasons why I am reluctant to engage in a live debate:

> English isn't my mother-tongue, and albeit using nearly perfect grammar, you'd be at a disadvantage trying to understand me.
> I don't have a microphone.


However, I'm more than willing to engage in a live you speaking and me typing argument. I can type relatively fast (you'd have to wait a bit from time to time, so sue me) and if you're willing to ignore my multitude of spelling errors I'll undoubtedly make then I'm fine with it.

[nine-breaker]

Madace you better recognize foo!!!! stop trollin' before I give you squirell aids I love you man!

[MadAce]

Madace you better recognize foo!!!! stop trollin' before I give you squirell aids I love you man!

That didn't make any sense whatsoever (and thus I didn't understand any of it). But in a different way than your usual posting.

Somehow it feels like an improvement.

I love you too.

[tekkamanblade]

madace, you don't know me, and you don't know what kind of training i've had. im not saying i can outlast an entire country's vast armed forces in a prolonged siege, miraculously survive extensive artillery shelling or bunker busting missile strikes, or shoot down high speed / high altitude aircraft. however against a reasonably well armed, trained, and supplied force mounting armored personel carriers im very well prepared to both destroy and/or escape from, and this sort of scavenging party (rather than a full on empire vs empire engagement) is what you'd actually expect to see in a lawless society.

am i against police, fire, road, millitary, school and other taxes? yes i do support abolishing all of those things and all other "services provided" by the government because of their ridiculous inefficiency among other things. i believe a truly free market (without all the over regulation and barriers to entry) would provide any service people deemed neccesary much more efficiently.

[MadAce]

Madace you better recognize foo!!!! stop trollin' before I give you squirell aids I love you man!

That didn't make any sense whatsoever (and thus I didn't understand any of it). But in a different way than your usual posting.

Somehow it feels like an improvement.

I love you too.

You sayin Im gay shawty? You callin me a fruit? Homey dont play like that, i'll have to pop a cap in that white boiz A$$

Ahhhhh sh!t callin out the big NB is ya?

Yup. An improvement. And I'm pretty sure I understood it.

[Major]

I think you broke him.

...moving on.

[MadAce]

madace, you don't know me, and you don't know what kind of training i've had. im not saying i can outlast an entire country's vast armed forces in a prolonged siege, miraculously survive extensive artillery shelling or bunker busting missile strikes, or shoot down high speed / high altitude aircraft. however against a reasonably well armed, trained, and supplied force mounting armored personel carriers im very well prepared to both destroy and/or escape from, and this sort of scavenging party (rather than a full on empire vs empire engagement) is what you'd actually expect to see in a lawless society.

am i against police, fire, road, millitary, school and other taxes? yes i do support abolishing all of those things and all other "services provided" by the government because of their ridiculous inefficiency among other things. i believe a truly free market (without all the over regulation and barriers to entry) would provide any service people deemed neccesary much more efficiently.

tekkamanblade, hang on to that naivety because it's something most people tend to lose as they get older. It's something very precious that will get you trough the more depressing times of life.

As amazing as my writing skills may be... I'll have to refer you to someone who mostly agrees with me on this. Even tho he's almost as hung up on this romantic view of survivalism as you are.

Hilarious how you both acknowledge the fact that a lawless society is hell (hence why you've prepped for the post-apocalyptic world) but yet shun the very idea of government.

Oh and you should move to Western Somalia. No government. You'll love it there. The entire government-less experiment in all its glory.


Funny, btw, how you're afraid to reply to my other points.

[nine-breaker]

Madace, im still on vent, but I have dinner reservations at noon my time and cant be late, ill be back in about 2 hrs or so

[MadAce]

Madace, im still on vent, but I have dinner reservations at noon my time and cant be late, ill be back in about 2 hrs or so

Never mind. You've lost.

[Moleman]

Ok, I had hopes for this thread but now I'm disappointed! Instead of an interesting debate all we have is a few people making some outlandish statements and someone else asking them to prove their positions. You also seem to be argueing about different things, I.e. "I believe that grass is green" " ah, that's where you're wrong, the capital of France is Paris", etc!

Must do better!

Also, wow Major, that's brutal!!

moleman

[tekkamanblade]

if you had any valid points, i would reply to them.

[nine-breaker]

The most pathetic thing is madace is claiming he "won" when all he succeeded in doing was showing his narrow minded ignorance, on a video game forum. I hope you feel acomplished madace, and my offer still stands, if you think your high and mighty, just jump on ventrilo, ill move us into a private room, and Ill make you eat my words there.

[-nox-]

America isnt near as bad as what the news in all your other countries make it out to be, I just wish you all were intelligent enough to see this.

I do watch the o'reilly factor quite a bit though

damn, snap....ye compared to the o'reilly factor our news sucks . but in all seriousness

The most pathetic thing is madace is claiming he "won"

I think - and I may be wrong - that all that madace has done is constantly challenge other people's statements. I keep telling Madace he should read Popper, but he says he's too dumb

that said, i do think that despite what he claims, he did get a little annoyed. But you should ask O'Reilly if that true or not. He knows that guy...he just knows!!

[nine-breaker]

America isnt near as bad as what the news in all your other countries make it out to be, I just wish you all were intelligent enough to see this.

I do watch the o'reilly factor quite a bit though

damn, snap....ye compared to the o'reilly factor our news sucks

never once did i say that i agree with everything he says

[MadAce]

if you had any valid points, i would reply to them.

I'll have heaps of points as soon as nine-breaker backs up his claims.

Ok, I had hopes for this thread but now I'm disappointed! Instead of an interesting debate all we have is a few people making some outlandish statements and someone else asking them to prove their positions. You also seem to be argueing about different things, I.e. "I believe that grass is green" " ah, that's where you're wrong, the capital of France is Paris", etc!

Must do better!


moleman

Let's remind ourselves which insane positions have yet to be proven. If that aint part of a whole political agenda, I don't know anymore:

I dont really care how france does anything, but last I checked they still had ghettos for most foreigners,
and keep most ppl from living where they please,
so they definately arent a free democratic nation, if they are one.

1. France thinks they are the "leaders" of the U.N. (even after Latvia and Estonia verbally kicked their asses in a recent conference)
2. France also thinks that they are a super power which they arent
3. ok, on this one, im not only going to blame france, but most of Europe, Europe says that American is the cause of the recent recession, which is totally a load of bull BBQ,
Europe is falling so hard because they are lazy, come on ppl,
most of them work 35 hours a week and complain that its to much cause
they have more important "artistic" things to do besides work.
and supporting the economy which has more flaws than patch 555 did.

As for the housing market, this BBQ happens every 5 years, have you not noticed, its the viscious cycle scenario.
And every 5 years the politicians declare thats its the worste recession in history since the great depression,
there is no one dying in the streets from lack of medical care,
There are millions without jobs, but this is do to 1.) being a sort of off season for most companies/factories here in the states
2.) the 5 year cycle fell at the wrong time (on the company off cycle)

And as for the whole working/ lazy part, I seem to remember a searing heat wave hitting Italy, and thousands of ppl dying, because most of the government was on vacation, and refused to come back and lead, and aid (like they are supposed to) because they wanted their full break. <--- sounds pretty lazy

At first glance that's 16 crazy statements that have been uttered without a shred of evidence to back them up. Nothing. Zip. Nada. So far I've provided two charts, half a dozen links and one humongous list because the charts apparently weren't complete enough.

Am I wrong in asking evidence for these offensive statements?

And that's just nine-breaker's stuff. The rest is woefully oblivious as to what socialism means and how it's interpreted and implemented around the world.

It's all fun and games until MadAce decides to shove down your throat his hard, long, rigged..... politcal agenda. Seriously, I'm not pressing my views on anyone, and MadAce feels the need too, and insulting my intellegence is real nice too, it shows that your just on my level too, it doesn't matter if you think your above everyone else, meaningless insults are pointless, if you want to be smart and you want others to respect you, you shouldn't act like Kasonia or some of those other retards that go around blabering their flaps.

Actually it was nine-breaker who started it:

I dont really care how france does anything, but last I checked they still had ghettos for most foreigners,
and keep most ppl from living where they please,
so they definately arent a free democratic nation, if they are one.

Besides, i'm only insulting your intelligence because it's a real challenge. Finding it that is. And it's fun.

The most pathetic thing is madace is claiming he "won" when all he succeeded in doing was showing his narrow minded ignorance, on a video game forum. I hope you feel acomplished madace, and my offer still stands, if you think your high and mighty, just jump on ventrilo, ill move us into a private room, and Ill make you eat my words there.

No, I never said I won.

I said you lost. That's a very, very sad truth.

[Moleman]

Far be it for me to defend Madace but I don't think he has stated his position on anything as yet, all he has done is ask those that have made claims and statement to back them up.

To be honest, this topic has got so confusing I'm not even sure what we are really talking about!?

Moleman

EDIT: I posted this before Madaces last reply, he must have clicked submit just before me!

[Nightmare]

i believe a truly free market (without all the over regulation and barriers to entry) would provide any service people deemed neccesary much more efficiently.

Ahh that is Adam Smith's theory, "the invisible hand" that will keep the economy flowing, if only the world would be so simple.

Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The way that i want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in
Like cattle
You run
Stripped of
Your life's worth
Human mice, for the angel of death
Four hundred thousand more to die
Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood

Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the aryan race

Surgery, with no anesthesia
Feel the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die
Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of death

Pumped with fluid, inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh, drips away
Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold, cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'til you rip yourselves apart
Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The holocaust
Seas of blood, bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide awake nightmare
Wings of pain, reach out for you
His face of death staring down,
Your blood running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating
Pathetic harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid angel of death
Flying free

Mmm Angel of Death, Track 1 on Slayer's 1986 Raining Blood, excellent choice.

Unfortunately you just triggered Godwin's Law, so you automatically lost the argument

Nightmare

[-nox-]

never once did i say that i agree with everything he says

damn. That's exactly what i said.

ye, here found it

nine-breaker claims to agree with everything bill "49% is a huge majority" o'reilly says

wow you got me

unless that's a fake quote and your response was completely unrelated to what i said, for i did neither claim, infer, suggest anything along those lines. Matter of fact, didn't even mention agreement in anyway, if that quote is fake that is. Bet it isn't