awmalzo wrote:
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd - Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
If you tell someone to leave because of someone's believes (that of the Islamic Sharia) do you then:
"accept [their] beliefs, and will not question why"
as quoted below, or do you take away their freedom of religion? Hmm...
awmalzo wrote:
Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
Well, can't say that's weird, I woudn't be happy if someone spied on me for my (lack of) religion. Let's look at the reasons he gives, because if you take away the right (freedom) of privacy, got to have one hell of a reason
awmalzo wrote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.
doesn't sound unreasonable, though it must be pointed out that in many cases immigrants are australians aswell (in Australia that is...). Australian = someone with the Australian nationality. Religion or culture doesn't matter in this case and accepted that these are the main arguments the sentence is obviously ill frased.
awmalzo wrote:
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
weird to hear he's tired of people bothering if people are being offended, now I do not know much about Australian law, but I would think that (part of) offending is illegal (when it becomes discriminating etc.). As prime minister Rudd has a fairy easy way to solve it: make this 100% legal. hug laws against discrimination and there is your solution, what's he bothering about?
awmalzo wrote:
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
I thought people were forcefully deported to Australia by the English cause they were criminals? well anyway, this is a patriotic statement that doesn't care about the bad things ( what did they do to the nnative inhabitants?), but that's fine, whatever...
awmalzo wrote:
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'
logical, though there is of course no way of forcing this (unless Rudd makes up a few laws).
awmalzo wrote:
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented
wait what? Most australians believe in god because christians founded the nation? The country i'm from was founded by christians, yet 54% of The Netherlands does not belong to a religious organisation. Weird how those things end up in speeches people read before they are said. I can't deny it is logical that there is a corelation here, but a causal relation is just plain rubbish
awmalzo wrote:
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
besides the question "who is us?" this seems appropiate if you the following:
that offending someone is never punishable according to the law
that school's and other governmental organisation should actively participate in religious acts and that separation between church and state (as exists in Australia) should not exist (in Australia)
awmalzo wrote:
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
I gave my opinion about this earlier on. I do not think spying on people and forcing them out of the country is 'accepting'. But hey, I could be wrong...
awmalzo wrote:
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
who is us? and more importantly, what the hell is wrong with complaining? It's a national sport in The Netherlands (funnily enough people in The Netherlands complain the most but are also the most satisfied (at least the children are) ) , does that mean that if 'we' would move to Australia we would be spied upon and thrown out of the country? Or does the fact that we are largely (though not in majority) christian and (in majority) white protect us? I thought Australia left the whites only policy in the sixties, ah could be wrong...
(by the way, I think with 'us' the sir that wrote this means both 'Australians' and 'christian, Australian patriots'. very confusing...)
awmalzo wrote:
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
I do not know how serious this is and if this is actually said by prime minister Rudd, but if it is, it's a load of bull
. But the first part, back to that. Australia has different beliefs about what is right and wrong for its people, mainly in the area of censorship. If a game is too violent, it will be edited before being distributed, not sure of all the mediums this applies to. I would suspect if it affects games it would have to affect music and movies as well, but then again, if you don't mind censorship have at it. Just don't breed with the locals, you can catch wierd accents and criminal behaviorisms 
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